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I'm changing my dA name. I am now posting my work under the name PlightOfIcarus. If you'd like to retain your devWatch with me, that'd be awesome. Otherwise, It's been real, time to move on.
Dude - Jarhead is one of THE most spot-on protrayals of the stupid shit that happens when you're deployed I've ever read. It's real - if anything, it doesn't show half the shady shit I saw. And I think Sam Mendes shot an excellent adaptation of the book - easily as good as his work in American Beauty.
I'm really suprised when Marines get upset about the movie - every Marine I know who has actually been to the big sandbox, myself included, loved the movie - we all laughed our asses off. It helped me unwind a little, actually, since it came out shortly after my battalion came home. It helped me be able to share some of the things that happened with my wife.
in fact - it's currently showing in the base movie theater and gets packed.
you'll see if or when you make it to the Middle East - you'll look back and think of Jarhead, and say "wow, so that's what Swofford was talking about."
Since it has been some time since I saw the movie, I will comment as best I can. As far as the everyday "Stupid shit," I think Jarhead may have been somewhat accurate. Obviously, you would be able to attest to this more than I, but even in my limited experience with the Corps, I saw plenty of stupid immature shit. You get 40 20-year old men in a squad bay with no entertainment or women, stupid shit does occur. I was mainly disapointed at the political message of Jarhead. It clearly made the American Military look like a bunch of cold blooded killers. It certainly did not paint an accurate picture of why we were there in the first place. I think it used the current war's justifications to paint a negative image of a completely different war. What was the line... "We're still there" or some shit.
Further, while I do have limited experience with the Marines, I have to think that if Jarhead was a completely accurate portrayal of the Corps, then I'm a bit disappointed. I think Marines have more honor than the schlubs portrayed in the movie. They made everyone of those young men look like animals, minus the gent who dies at the end (the guy from Garden State). I liked his character.
Anyway, there is really no point in arguing about this. I will take your word that the movie is an accurate portrayal. That does disconcert me a bit though.
Oh, and I was incredibly bothered by the "party in the desert" at the end. I'm sure that commanders in Iraq would allow their Marines to play ridiculously loud music while they fire their ammunition into the air and tribal dance around a huge bonfire.
I understand the unease the movie brings - after all, the Marine Corps is not a pretty organization. You will meet some sick and twisted individuals - you'll meet cold-blooded killers. You'll also meet some of the greatest guys you've ever met - really amazing people....but part of the Marine Corps' strength lies in that it takes in as many gutter punks as ring-rockers.
The book was written right before things happened in Iraq - the context of the "we're still in the desert" line was that, psychologicaly, those guys have never been able to put that experience truly behind them....it gains political overtones only now - and I think mendes abused that a little bit - but that's not how the line was initially written, what it means.
I don't think the "party" would go down in the desert now, no - but I'm not suprised it did then, and I think it's only are PCness that keeps it from happening....you should hear some of the stories I get told by this three-time purple heart recipient who was on Iwo Jima - Donn Lewin. I eat lunch with him every thursday out here...and believe me....that kind of nihilisitc partying and debauchery has been part of the underlying Marine ethos for a very, very long time.
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I'm really suprised when Marines get upset about the movie - every Marine I know who has actually been to the big sandbox, myself included, loved the movie - we all laughed our asses off. It helped me unwind a little, actually, since it came out shortly after my battalion came home. It helped me be able to share some of the things that happened with my wife.
in fact - it's currently showing in the base movie theater and gets packed.
you'll see if or when you make it to the Middle East - you'll look back and think of Jarhead, and say "wow, so that's what Swofford was talking about."
welcome to the suck.
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Further, while I do have limited experience with the Marines, I have to think that if Jarhead was a completely accurate portrayal of the Corps, then I'm a bit disappointed. I think Marines have more honor than the schlubs portrayed in the movie. They made everyone of those young men look like animals, minus the gent who dies at the end (the guy from Garden State). I liked his character.
Anyway, there is really no point in arguing about this. I will take your word that the movie is an accurate portrayal. That does disconcert me a bit though.
Oh, and I was incredibly bothered by the "party in the desert" at the end. I'm sure that commanders in Iraq would allow their Marines to play ridiculously loud music while they fire their ammunition into the air and tribal dance around a huge bonfire.
That's all I got.
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The book was written right before things happened in Iraq - the context of the "we're still in the desert" line was that, psychologicaly, those guys have never been able to put that experience truly behind them....it gains political overtones only now - and I think mendes abused that a little bit - but that's not how the line was initially written, what it means.
I don't think the "party" would go down in the desert now, no - but I'm not suprised it did then, and I think it's only are PCness that keeps it from happening....you should hear some of the stories I get told by this three-time purple heart recipient who was on Iwo Jima - Donn Lewin. I eat lunch with him every thursday out here...and believe me....that kind of nihilisitc partying and debauchery has been part of the underlying Marine ethos for a very, very long time.
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